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| Sept 13, 2009 at 06:54 PM |
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I found this article to be very interesting
A PAGE FROM 'DEAR LEADER' PLAYBOOK
Obama seeks a cult of personality, but Americans are beginning to
back away.
By KATHERINE KERSTEN, [Minneapolis] Star Tribune
Last update: September 12, 2009 - 10:55 PM
The mainstream media seem dumbfounded that any thinking person
could object to President Obama's speech to schoolchildren on
Sept. 8. The president simply told kids to work hard and stay in
school, right?
The controversy is just more proof, the media seem to have
concluded, that Obama's critics are kooks and yahoos -- you know,
the sort of foaming-at-the-mouth folks who show up for tea
parties or town hall meetings, or seem compelled to lie
reflexively about Obama's health care reform proposals.
Why are the mainstream media so clueless about the anger and
disillusionment growing among independents and conservatives?
The controversy over Obama's education speech provides a
clue. Contrary to most news reports, objections didn't center on
the speech itself. The fracas erupted over the accompanying
lesson plans, or "menu of classroom activities," assembled by the
White House and the federal Department of Education.
One particularly blatant proposed activity did get some
press -- an assignment instructing kids to "write letters to
themselves about what they can do to help the president." But the
White House dropped that after a public outcry, so what's the big
deal?
Here's the problem: The letter was only one of many examples
of Obama-worship in the lesson plans, whose tone and focus came
straight from the "Dear Leader" playbook. The plans included few
references to citizenship and responsibility. Instead, suggested
classroom activities revolved around Obama himself -- his
thoughts, his desires, his admonitions, the lessons we can all
learn from this great man.
For example, the lesson plan for prekindergarten through
grade six suggests that teachers prepare young children for
Obama's speech not by discussing personal responsibility, but by
studying Obama himself. Teachers can "build background knowledge
about the President ... and his speech by reading books about
presidents and Barack Obama."
And for the higher grade levels? Teachers can prepare them
for the "historic" speech by decorating classrooms with the great
leader's sayings: "Teachers may post in large print around the
classroom notable quotes excerpted from President Obama's
speeches on education."
Cringe-inducing Obama-centrism of this kind pervades the
lesson plans. Questions and assignments take for granted that
students will be inspired and moved by Obama's words, and will
want to do what he asks of them.
Students in the lower grade levels, for example, are to
ponder questions such as these: "What is the president trying to
tell me?" "What do you think the president wants us to do?" "Is
he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? ... Parents? The
American people?"
Questions for the higher grade levels include these: "Why
does President Obama want to speak with us today?" "How will he
inspire us?" "How will he challenge us?" The plans suggest that
students reflect reverentially on the Obama quotes hung around
the classroom, asking: "What are our interpretations of these
excerpts?" "Based on these excerpts, what can we infer that the
president believes is important in order to be educationally
successful?"
This reverential tone is reinforced by the lesson plans' odd
fixation on noting the president's exact words. Young students,
for example, may "record important parts of the speech where the
president is asking them to do something," writing down "key ...
phrases." Older students may try to "capture direct quotations."
"Teachers could focus students on quotations that either propose
a specific challenge to them or that inspire them in some
meaningful way." Examples: "What resonated with you from
President Obama's speech? ... What are the three most important
words in the speech?" In 1991, the Washington Post went ballistic
when President George H.W. Bush gave a speech to schoolchildren
about working hard and staying in school. "The White House turned
a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television
studio and its students into props," the Post fumed. Democratic
leaders expressed outrage and hauled administration officials
before a hearing to probe the cost and legality of Bush's action.
In 2009, however, the media cheered Obama's school speech.
Why? The chattering classes have fallen hard for Obama's cult of
personality. Newsweek Editor Evan Thomas may have spoken for many
when he breathlessly said of Obama in an interview that "he's the
teacher" and "he's sort of God."
Today, average Americans are beginning to see something in
Obama the mainstream media can't. That's a narcissism -- a
messianic quality -- deeply at odds with the American spirit.
Many members of the president's own party seem to be sensing the
same. They are backing away from Obama as the real content of the
"hope" and "change" he promised becomes clear.
Katherine Kersten is a Twin Cities writer and speaker. Reach her
at kakersten@gmail.com.
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| Sept 14, 2009 at 01:37 PM |
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Nice article, thanks.
We need to start asking the harder questions and paying closer attention to the economy. We are not going into recovery. Here's another train of thought (paraphrasing an article recently in a local business journal):
Only a minority of economists seem to be debating on the side of deflation; most look for inflation. Watch for the minority to be correct on this one.
Consumer credit contracted by a record 10% annually. Economists had forecasted a $4 billion contraction. It was actually $21.6 billion and rapidly accelerating. The American consumer is tightening his/her belt trying to get their house in order by cutting spending, paying down debt and (whoa) increasing savings.
With 70% of our economy based on consumer spending this will likely create a deflationary crash. This may be what is necessary to wipe out debt and bring prices back down to reasonable levels that will allow consumers to buy things without massive debt.
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| Sept 14, 2009 at 10:33 PM |
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Contrast FDR's outlook on Wall Street, expressed here, to
that of Obama. Speaking to an audience in Madison Square Garden
in 1936, FDR said: ``They had begun to consider the Government of
the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We
know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous
as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history
have these forces been so united against one candidate as they
stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me and I
welcome their hatred.''
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| Sept 14, 2009 at 11:35 PM |
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The big crash is in the ongoing evaporation of the $700 trillion derivatives market.
Yes, $700 trillion. That's what took down Lehman, Wachovia, Merrill Lynch, and all the others. And it will take down the system if it isnt dealt with.
The real answer is the power of government to "freeze" all the bad paper and write it off in a bankruptcy reorganization.
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| Sept 16, 2009 at 05:17 AM |
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I don't see how there can be any question that Obama's healthcare policy is being pushed on the population so they can "balance the budget" by increasing the death rates among the elderly and poor.
This latest story from Newsweek mirrors the push for euthanasia originating from Great Britain.
Obama plans to cut healthcare in order to support the bankrupt Wall Street financial parasites. This is Nazi policy being pushed on America. And it comes from the British/ London masters of Obama.
Since the 2007-2008 $24 trillion bailout of Wall Street firms the decision was made that there is now no longer enough money to support the rest of the American population.
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As President Obama said, most of the uncontrolled growth in federal spending and the deficit comes from Medicare; nothing else comes close. Almost a third of the money spent by Medicare—about $66.8 billion a year—goes to chronically ill patients in the last two years of life. This might seem obvious—of course the costs come at the end, when patients are the sickest. But that can't explain what researchers at Dartmouth have discovered: Medicare spends twice as much on similar patients in some parts of the country as in others. The average cost of a Medicare patient in Miami is $16,351; the average in Honolulu is $5,311. In the Bronx, N.Y., it's $12,543. In Fargo, N.D., $5,738. The average Medicare patient undergoing end-of-life treatment spends 21.9 days in a Manhattan hospital. In Mason City, Iowa, he or she spends only 6.1 days.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/215291?GT1=43002
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| Sept 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM |
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"I don't see how there can be any question that Obama's healthcare policy is being pushed on the population so they can "balance the budget" by increasing the death rates among the elderly and poor"
Umm...................WHAT???
People are not being asked to change what they already have. This is for those who do not have health-care currently.
Maybe I am a bit short sighted here, but I see this as a Proactive solution. With HIV still out there and the more recent H1N1 virus floating around, something is bound to be worse and threaten our very existence. Our chances of survival are greater if we are healthier as a society. Not just the ones who can afford it, but everyone. Yes, it will be financially draining at first, but in a few years we will be a much healthier nation.
Maybe I am wrong
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| Sept 17, 2009 at 05:10 PM |
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I see you failed to read (or understand) the Newsweek article "The case for killing Granny".
I wrote nothing about people being asked to "change" what they already have. Where do you get this idea?
Let me be perfectly clear---President Obama intends to shift billions of dollars from Medicaid, Medicare to Wall Street. He plans to do this by instituting euthanasia against the poor and elderly.
What these bankers couldnt get away with doing by using Bush/Cheney to do the job (Bush did try and steal social security) they feel they can get away with by using an African American, so-called "progressive" to do it.
But this is Nazi economics.
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| Sept 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM |
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Investigator, I think you are missing part of the point of the article.
Most of us who are getting along in years know of several people who have come to the last stages of life in a hospital or other health care facility. I have watched families being torn apart because some members want to let Mom (or Granny, Dad, Uncle Pete...) die with peace and dignity and others who want "everything that can possibly be done" to be done. This mindset is not sustainable and realistically shouldn't be.
These are very different cases from those imagined and voiced by people who can't bear the thought that people should be allowed to die. I have witnessed many people kept alive contrary to actual living wills or known wishes simply because doctors were fearful of litigation caused by family disagreements. The doctors and hospitals in these cases will not make a legal decision. So, in other words, all it takes to override the patient's own wishes (and common sense) is for someone to object. I saw this just two weeks ago with a family friend whose daughters bickered over what was to be done. The doctors told them their mother would not recover but because of the daughters disagreement they kept her on life support for three weeks. THREE WEEKS! Do you know how expensive that is? The one daughter finally relented and the Mom died peacefully within hours.
Way too much money is being spent wastefully everyday on patients for whom nothing more can realistically be done. We can not continue to spend the money at the end of life when it is not wanted or warranted. That is a fact. That is not a conspiracy - it's a reality.
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| Sept 20, 2009 at 05:52 AM |
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Sorry Smithers, but somethings are not negotiable. Adolf Hitler health policies are not negotiable. Sometimes you have to stand up to reality as you do in military command. In military command you're willing to negotiate with the enemy, and make him not your enemy, but, there are conditions that must be met, which are "casus belli" conditions.
And that's what you have here in this case. We have casus belli condition between the United States and it's elected President. And he has to submit to the interest of the United States, not the United States submit to him.
So no negotiation or compromise on Hitler healthcare policy. Especially at a time when the entire financial system is coming down.
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| Sept 21, 2009 at 09:43 AM |
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Wow, must be great to be God and determine what is white and what is black!
Yes, and keep throwing out the weak tag line of "Hitler Health policy" so all of the ignorant masses have a sound bite they can latch onto.
I can not see how casus belli (cause or justification for conflict or war) applies to this at all. maybe I am missing your point. Rather I think you mean to throw a few high minded phrases around to make people believe you are an educated man who must know what he speaks of. It's a common ploy.
I respect your postings periodically and your passions always but you are too dogmatic to be taken too seriously.
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| Sept 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM |
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Let's see, a few weeks ago you were telling us that you knew nothing about the Obama health care program, isnt that right?
Now you tell me this it isnt a program styled specifically on Hitler's T-4 rationing boards. Not bad for a guy who two weeks ago professed complete ignorance.
Why don't you take a look at the proposed MedPac board and tell me how that differs from what Hitler did?
The problem guys like you have is you cannot see the overall picture. You're blind to it, prefering instead to see everything as a seperate isolated event.
The USA is now bankrupt and it's a fight between the nation and the Wall Street financiers. Either the banks are put through a government surpervised bankruptcy reorganization or they'll set the policy agenda for us.
Their current policy is to pay for the trillion dollar "bail out" by killing off the poor and elderly. In fact this is not so different then back in the 1920's when these same London and Wall Street bankers put Adolph Hitler in office in Germany. Austerity is the name of the game. Hitler just carried it to it's logical extreme with the death labor camps, etc.
The facts are as clear as the nose on your face.
And if you want to discuss the real facts, it's these Wall Street parasites who created the current consolidated junk heap we call the foodservice industry. They created Sysco and USF. Ruined the industry so they could loot all that food coming down the channels. What do you think "sheltered income" really is? They charge every independent operator a hidden 25% tax. Then they take that stolen money and leverage out additional distribution.
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| Sept 22, 2009 at 01:25 PM |
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Testing the Poll feature:
Gov't run Healthcare
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| Sept 22, 2009 at 01:28 PM |
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Still not working
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| Sept 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM |
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Investigator - I still don't know what the Obama Plan is and neither do you - yet. We are getting to the point where specific points can be accepted as the "plan".
Tell me, friend, what is it, specifically, that scares you about MedPac? It's been around fore a decade or more so I'm sure we can find some hard facts of the damage they've done.
My point to you earlier is still fact. we can not continue to provide costly, unnecessary and many times unwanted care just because we can. I know that it scares people to think of having to face death but it is a reality.
You state that "the problem guys like me have is you cannot see the overall picture". I would throw this specific issue back at you. I think you're so blinded by the your belief in their absolute evil that you can't see that some policies they suggest are legitimately correct.
You seem convinced that their motives are the end of civilization. I choose to believe that good wins out in the end.
Chill, dude. We did land on the moon; JFK - one shooter; MLK - James Earl Ray was the man.
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