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    Sept 06, 2009 at 08:07 AM
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Obama's healthcare plan is simple to understand. Obama intends to establish a board" of "experts" who will decide who gets healthcare and who does not. It is modeled on Adolph Hitler's T-4 rationing boards. The Obama administration wants to establish a board with the power to cut "Medicare" and "Medicade".

This Obama "Nazi". austerity program comes on the heels of a $23-$24 trillion bailout of Wall Street (The free market you mention) financial firms.

Let me ask you---"who do you think is behind the Obama healthcare plan"?

Someone has to pay to bail out the "free market".


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    Sept 06, 2009 at 08:19 AM
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Oh Smithers, by all means we the ones who choose to seek gainful employment on a daily basis should by every stretch of the imaginations foot the bill for every resident legal and illegal within the confines of our borders who choose not to be contributing members of society as a whole. Put down the crack pipe! I believe in the pay to play system. As a veteran of the US military I have entitlement to certain benefits that I earned as a result of the years of service I choose to give to my country of birth and it's national defense so you could sleep safely in your bed each and every night (no thanks is necessary, simply save it for my brothers in arm who were not as fortunate as me to return to the land of our birth either alive or in one piece). This I consider as paying your dues to obtain this benefit and as a legal worker in this country for over almost 40 years now, I have paid into an association known as the Social Security Administration, a pension fund I hope is still around in the next decade when I achieve the age required to start withdrawing from it. I have also contributed to both an IRA and 401K while seeing that my children had the opportunity to go to college to better their lives verses being welfare recipients.

I myself became unemployed twice since January of this year (JJ I cannot sincerely thank you enough and will tell you this face to face if our paths ever cross again) and have been able to find gainful employment both times that offers me insurance benefits. So why should I and the rest of the working class of the United States of America be burdened with the responsibility of footing the bill for every lazy fluck that just wants to set on their a$$,  collect welfare and not contribute to society as a whole. This idea is as ludicrous as the thought of giving drivers to every illegal so they can legally drive a car while they are in our country before being caught and deported by INS. If you have such a strong desire to help out the deadbeats of the world I suggest you donate everything you own, dress in sack cloth and enter a life of poverty yourself. There are enough government programs in place currently to help the truly needy (not the lazy flucks) in this country through current programs and organizations supported by both my tax dollars as well as every other hard working Americans. I too took advantage of the unemployment insurance benefits (a benefit I paid into while employed) when I was out of work and was grateful it was available but got off the governmental teat as expeditiously as possible because I believe if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. I would be willing to guess you are against “In God We Trust” and the second amendment of the US Constitution too.

Being both an American citizen with a military background, I most definitely support the office of the President of the United States however that doesn’t require me to agree and condone the decisions of the person who holds the office during any given term (which thankfully is only 4 years and limited to no more than 2 terms). I wonder how the presidential election outcome would have resulted if it were held today knowing what we know now about the current administration and it’s foolishness verses the pipe dream of millions of Americans last year. I hope you are enjoying the change but personally I would just as soon keep mine.

Still waiting to see all the Obama bumper stickers covered up with the “Don’t blame me I voted for McCain” ones.
 
PS if you have a copy of the health care bill please post it as I'm sure we the educated may all be able to get finished reading this thing just before Obama's term in office ends.


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    Sept 10, 2009 at 05:08 AM
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Meatman, who exactly do you think is footing that bill now?   I've  got news for you - those illegal aliens are going to the emergency rooms now and can not be turned away.  They are being treated.  Do you think doctors or hospitals or insurance companies are doing this for free?  You are paying for this.

I don't know the answers.  I don't want the government running healthcare, but costs HAVE to be controlled.  I don't know if the Obama Plan (whatever that is) is the right plan but the President is correct when he says that SOMETHING has to be done. 

If you can find a check stub from ten years ago, look at what was being taken out for insurance and compare it to today.  Then look at your deductibles or your maximum benefit.  The increase in costs and the decrease in benefits are astounding.  This bubble will burst.  You are shouldering this cost burden NOW; You are being "taxed" for your coverage NOW. 

The polls that say most Amercans are happy with their insurance?  Maybe, but many Americans were also happy with their subprime mortgages a year ago, too. 

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    Sept 11, 2009 at 01:51 PM
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If we secure the borders, Crime will go down, Unemployment will go down, quality of life will go up, we won't have to press 1 for English......

The American people have had enough....the party's over, we are taking back our country!!!

Don't tread on me

God bless America, its time to roll...

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    Sept 11, 2009 at 09:24 PM
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Illegals are responsible for the health care crisis? I heard they were also responsible for the housing crash! Hell I thought they had been "sucked" into this country as a source of cheap labor? You get 12 million Mexicans and recycle the US labor pool with these Mexicans at $5-$6 per hour savings and you got a bonanza in "loot". It works alot like Sysco when they swap out suppliers for another 10% sheltered income. Surely y'all grasp that concept, right?

You want to reduce healthcare cost then rescind the HMO law and go back to a Hill Burton approach. The President could do this with little problem. Instead he seems to be willing to increase the mortality rates with the elderly,and  poor in order to cover the $23 trillion Wall Street bailout.

There is no Obama health care policy unless you consider Adolph Hitler to have created a healthcare policy in 1939.



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    Sept 12, 2009 at 04:14 AM
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I have several customers that are Illegal, and are holding $800.00 week jobs.  Not all illegals work for $5.00 an hour.  Many of the construction workers wont work for less than $150.00 a day. 

Don't kid yourself, illegals need to go.  If they want to work in America, then they need to register and pay taxes like the rest of us.  Why should I pay taxes that provide services that non Americans, non tax payers enjoy?

Its time to take back our country.  Lets Roll!

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    Sept 12, 2009 at 07:30 AM
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Yeah and there are probably 10,000-12,000 Mexican restaurants that have sprouted up in this country since 1985. This group started out of Atlanta in the early 1980's and spread out over the country. I call them the "white cheese" users, as they all use Land O' Lakes white cheese

 Sysco and USF's street business would be hurting alot more than it is without these 12,000 restaurants. They also keep a company like Land O' Lakes in the foodservice business. Without these Mexican accounts it's likely that a company like Land O' Lakes would be out of foodservice altogether.

But they arent the source of the health care crisis. In fact what you're seeing really isnt a health care crisis per se , what you're actually seeing is a collapse of the US economy, which has been on going since the mid 1960's.

Watch October, the other shoe will drop. The financial/economic collapse will strike again between now and the end of October.

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    Sept 12, 2009 at 04:20 PM
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You are correct the economy will fall a lot farther when the gov't stops pumping $$ in.  Where I live we are laying off 4 Police men, and 2 Fire fighters Oct 1.  Town Hall is laying off 2 office employees November 1, and the DPW has already layed off 6 men and is fur-lowing 2 men each week.  I live in a small town.  That's 14 people with out jobs and 20 others that have less to spend.  Eating out will soon be a privilege, and I fear that eating at all may soon be a privilege.

We must stop:

-Cap and Trade
-Higher Taxes
-Obama Care

We must:

-Get rid of the Mark to Market accounting that started this mess.  (If you don't know what I am referring to, please google it)
-Lower the corporate tax rate to attract foreign companies into America, to help cut unemployment.
-Lower personal income taxes
-STOP SPENDING $$ LIKE DRUNKEN SAILORS.
-Start a long term policy returning the American Dollar onto the Gold Standard.

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    Sept 13, 2009 at 05:55 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Banking_Act

Return to Glass Steagall
http://law.jrank.org/pages/7165/Glass-Steagall-Act.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

Franklin Roosevelt and Public Health

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WIa1HZ_PvE

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    Sept 13, 2009 at 06:36 AM
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When has the Federal Government managed any business to success?  The Post Office is always requiring handouts and cannot compete with the likes of UPS and FedEx, AMTRAK is always on the verge of bankruptcy, Social Security is WAY past insolvency but we have to continue to pay into the system to keep it afloat while at the same time trying to save for OUR retirement!

I have seen the Canadian system first hand and it is not what Sicko shows it to be, England and France are in the same boat as Canada, they ration their care.  Notice on Sicko that Moore uses (and I do mean "uses") people with no-serious health issues when showing the Canadian and British medical systems and then grabs the "serious" cases that he hauls off to Cuba.  Why did Moore not take the serious cases to Canada and Britain?  The answer is simple, they would have received rationed care and that would not support his thesis.

Our current system needs tort reform, not government interference.  What would happen if Doctors were allowed to practice medicine and not everyone was guaranteed a perfect result?  Take out the lawyers and the malpractice costs and watch health care costs shrink, dramatically!

Now, I am not saying "don't hold bad Doctors accountable", I am saying " medicine is not an exact science".  It is like our customers who expect every case of produce we deliver to be "perfect" and then demand a credit when it is not!

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    Sept 13, 2009 at 07:08 AM
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The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - you have had 234 years to get it right;
it is broke.

Social Security was established in 1935 - you have had 74 years to get it right;
it is broke.

Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - you have had 71 years to get it right;
it is broke.

War on Poverty started in 1964 - you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor";
it hasn't worked.

Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - you've had 44 years to get it right;
they're broke.

Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - you have had 39 years to get it right;
it is broke.

Trillions of dollars in the massive political payoff called the TARP bill of 2009
shows NO sign of working.

And finally to set a new record:

"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and
went broke in 2009!  It took good dependable cars (that were the best some people could afford) replaced them with high priced (people who couldn't afford them are now making payments).

 

And lastly, the American taxpayers are now going to be dinged with paying for yet 3 billion more dollars of our governments experiments to make our wallets even thinner.

So, with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services" you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?  15% of our economy? 
Are you crazy?

Truly, the inmates are running the asylum!  And what does this say about voters who put such pond scum in office?


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    Sept 13, 2009 at 09:58 AM
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in 2008 the USPS moved 203 BILLION pieces of mail. It is a service to the American people. By law the Postal Service is not supposed to be a money making enterprise. UPS/FEDEX  could never furnish door to door delivery as the USPS.

Furthermore:

Postal Service will pay FedEx approximately $6.3 billion over seven years for shared access to the FedEx national air transportation network. With more than 650 aircraft, FedEx is one of the largest airlines in the world. This agreement will provide one integrated national air transportation network for the Postal Service. The transportation agreement will begin in August 2001.

Dont forget that DHL bit the dust. Imagine the Postal Service being "privatised" only to be looted and liquidated by Wall Street!

Our problems today stem from the "removal" of Government based on the concept of the General Welfare of it's citizens, replaced by the idea that the "market place" must rule the roost.

From Lincoln, to FDR to JFK, the United States was the most powerful nation on this planet. Since the mid 1960's the US has been transformed from an industrial /scientific juggernat to a post industrial shiat hole.

Get rid of this slimy parasitical Wall Street scum and go back to the principles embedded in our Constitution; and in our history as a nation. It's there you just have to locate it.


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    Sept 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM
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Watch 60 minutes tonight. Your President will be discussing it tonight.
Then YOU decide.
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    Sept 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM
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If you want to reduce healthcare cost right now, all you have to do is repeal the HMO laws. There goes 30% to 40% worthless overhead costs.

The only sane solution to the US health care problems is off the table currently in Washington. Return to the Hill-Burton standard to rebuild our medical infrastructure. HMOs exist only to deny coverage and reap the profits. Profits in health care = death.
 
By the way HMO's came into being under President Richard Nixon in 1972-1973 period. This was right after Nixon canceled Franklin Roosevelts "Bretton Woods" monetary system of "fixed exchange rates.

This era would be followed by Jimmy Carters "de regulation" mania which destroyed airlines, transportation industries. He would be followed byPaul Volcker and Ronald Reagan who would oversee the "leveraged buyout" and "junk bond" era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRzr1QU6K1o

There's not much left for Wall Street to cannibalize except for eating people . Welcome to President Obama's healthcare policies

Wall Street is hungry.


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    Sept 13, 2009 at 05:22 PM
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Why do we say we have a problem?  Its expensive....so its the best!!  Anything good is worth paying for. 

Can we improve our health care system? Yes

Must we re-create the wheel? NO!

We don't have a problem.

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